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		<title>Comment on Data Point: Foundations’ Use of Logic Models and Theories of Change by John Finneran</title>
		<link>http://www.effectivephilanthropy.org/blog/2012/02/data-point-foundations%e2%80%99-use-of-logic-models-and-theories-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-59747</link>
		<dc:creator>John Finneran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very useful research. Logic models and theories of change are a means to an end: effective and efficient programs. With ImpactMap (www.impactmap.org), we try to address the shortcomings -- complexity, impracticality, and expense -- of traditional logic models and theories of change. We simplify the whole process of designing a program/logic model and turn them into actionable plans. Through simplification and standardization, we hope to dramatically reduce the cost (and effort) of creating and maintaining a logic model or theory of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful research. Logic models and theories of change are a means to an end: effective and efficient programs. With ImpactMap (www.impactmap.org), we try to address the shortcomings &#8212; complexity, impracticality, and expense &#8212; of traditional logic models and theories of change. We simplify the whole process of designing a program/logic model and turn them into actionable plans. Through simplification and standardization, we hope to dramatically reduce the cost (and effort) of creating and maintaining a logic model or theory of change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid Funder Tricks by Richard Woo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:  &quot;Ouch!&quot;  The truth hurts. Thank you for laying out your thoughts so clearly and convincingly--reinforced by some real life quotes that you&#039;d hope were lifted from a federal wiretap.  But alas, I&#039;m sure those comments were said out loud, in public, in broad daylight.  

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:  &#8220;Ouch!&#8221;  The truth hurts. Thank you for laying out your thoughts so clearly and convincingly&#8211;reinforced by some real life quotes that you&#8217;d hope were lifted from a federal wiretap.  But alas, I&#8217;m sure those comments were said out loud, in public, in broad daylight.  </p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven “New” Concepts that Are Not So New After All: Reflections on a History of Philanthropy by 10 Great Social Innovation Reads: January 2012 &#124; Social Velocity</title>
		<link>http://www.effectivephilanthropy.org/blog/2012/01/seven-%e2%80%9cnew%e2%80%9d-concepts-that-are-not-so-new-after-all-reflections-on-a-history-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1/#comment-59742</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Great Social Innovation Reads: January 2012 &#124; Social Velocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I love it when we can use history to understand current trends. Phil Buchanan, CEO of the Center for Effective Philanthropy, reviews historian Oliver Zunz&#8217;s new book, Philanthropy in America. In so doing, Buchanan describes 7 &#8220;new&#8221; philanthropic concepts that really aren&#8217;t so new. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I love it when we can use history to understand current trends. Phil Buchanan, CEO of the Center for Effective Philanthropy, reviews historian Oliver Zunz&#8217;s new book, Philanthropy in America. In so doing, Buchanan describes 7 &#8220;new&#8221; philanthropic concepts that really aren&#8217;t so new. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid Funder Tricks by Paul Beaudet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Beaudet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori: I&#039;m looking forward to seeing the results of the survey in March. It&#039;ll be great to have GEO convening here in Seattle again.

Stephanie: I hope to see you at the GEO event next month.

Curtis: Thanks for sharing your blog post.The list best practices to ensure that there is appropriate and effective wielding of power is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori: I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing the results of the survey in March. It&#8217;ll be great to have GEO convening here in Seattle again.</p>
<p>Stephanie: I hope to see you at the GEO event next month.</p>
<p>Curtis: Thanks for sharing your blog post.The list best practices to ensure that there is appropriate and effective wielding of power is a good one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid Funder Tricks by Curtis Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Paul!  I like your points, and quite serendipitous given some of our experiences at the Interaction Institute for Social Change, working with funders as convenors of multi-stakeholder change efforts.  In January we had some robust conversations in both San Diego and Michigan about how to work responsibly with one&#039;s power as a funder in initiating partnership and other collaborative efforts.  More can be found here: 

http://interactioninstitute.org/blog/2012/02/02/funder-as-convenor-part-2/

And this is something that we continue to explore through our joint offering with GEO, &quot;Engage for Results.&quot;  

Very timely conversation!

Thanks,

Curtis Ogden
Senior Associate
Interaction Institute for Social Change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Paul!  I like your points, and quite serendipitous given some of our experiences at the Interaction Institute for Social Change, working with funders as convenors of multi-stakeholder change efforts.  In January we had some robust conversations in both San Diego and Michigan about how to work responsibly with one&#8217;s power as a funder in initiating partnership and other collaborative efforts.  More can be found here: </p>
<p><a href="http://interactioninstitute.org/blog/2012/02/02/funder-as-convenor-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://interactioninstitute.org/blog/2012/02/02/funder-as-convenor-part-2/</a></p>
<p>And this is something that we continue to explore through our joint offering with GEO, &#8220;Engage for Results.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Very timely conversation!</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Curtis Ogden<br />
Senior Associate<br />
Interaction Institute for Social Change</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid Funder Tricks by Stephanie McAuliffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie McAuliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Paul. Lots of good points and reminders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Paul. Lots of good points and reminders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid Funder Tricks by Lori Bartczak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Bartczak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you make some excellent points here. You said &quot;we can only succeed if our partners succeed.&quot; That simple statement is critical, and it seems funders sometimes lose sight of that. 

GEO recently conducted a national survey on foundation practices. The results will be released at our national conference, March 12-14 in Seattle. 

One of the key findings is that grantmakers who are goood partners with their grantees--getting feedback, having open conversations with them, engaging them in decisions--are far more likely to provide the types of support that matter most to nonprofits&#039; ability to achieve meaningful results. This data shows that the value of investing in relationships is not just so we can feel good about one another; investing in relationships leads to smarter grantmaking and better results.

Thank you for bringing this conversation forward. We look forward to continuing the conversation and supporting grantmakers in their efforts to be better partners to their grantees when the GEO community comes to your city next month.

Lori Bartczak
Grantmakers for Effective Organizations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you make some excellent points here. You said &#8220;we can only succeed if our partners succeed.&#8221; That simple statement is critical, and it seems funders sometimes lose sight of that. </p>
<p>GEO recently conducted a national survey on foundation practices. The results will be released at our national conference, March 12-14 in Seattle. </p>
<p>One of the key findings is that grantmakers who are goood partners with their grantees&#8211;getting feedback, having open conversations with them, engaging them in decisions&#8211;are far more likely to provide the types of support that matter most to nonprofits&#8217; ability to achieve meaningful results. This data shows that the value of investing in relationships is not just so we can feel good about one another; investing in relationships leads to smarter grantmaking and better results.</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing this conversation forward. We look forward to continuing the conversation and supporting grantmakers in their efforts to be better partners to their grantees when the GEO community comes to your city next month.</p>
<p>Lori Bartczak<br />
Grantmakers for Effective Organizations</p>
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		<title>Comment on Putting Grantees In the Center of Your Map by Paul Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nieghbor - I love that post and perspective, Paul. As you know, we live close to our grantees as well and this paradigm gives us maybe even a stronger way to think about that linkage. THANK YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nieghbor &#8211; I love that post and perspective, Paul. As you know, we live close to our grantees as well and this paradigm gives us maybe even a stronger way to think about that linkage. THANK YOU</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven “New” Concepts that Are Not So New After All: Reflections on a History of Philanthropy by Jed Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments, all...

Here&#039;s the thing:

Part of the reason we have to keep revisiting existing concepts in new ways is that folks do indeed &quot;forget&quot; so we must re-discover. 

For example, in 1989 (pre-social entrepreneurship&#039;s popularization or Venture Philanthropy&#039;s introduction)I was told by a, uh, major east coast foundation program officer that &quot;if there is one thing we know it is that nonprofits can&#039;t think like businesses, so if you have new money, put it into job training.&quot; He couldn&#039;t even conceive of the notion that at that very time there were, in fact, social workers already taking the &quot;good&quot; part of business thinking and applying it toward attaining their social mission as they saw fit. (In fact, my MSW program--circa 1981-- taught from business management texts for exactly this reason: Social workers were in fact using business practices to advance community goals--despite what the foundation exec may have thought...). Later the following spring (1990), we had begun our grantmaking initiative at Roberts Foundation wherein I asked our lead grantees to come together with me once a month to discuss their work, share ideas and lessons, and in the context of this, I would add funding as needed to support our collective efforts. I was describing what we were doing at a foundation executive meeting in SF and I was actually reprimanded by one of my foundation colleagues (from, uh, a major west coast foundation) for &quot;lacking professional distance and objectivity&quot; with regard to my grantees&#039; work....can you imagine that?

In large part due to the consistently negative response I received from (at that time) the dominant, existing &quot;thinking and practice&quot; within mainstream philanthropy, I (and i would hazard to guess, others...) had to come up with concepts and language which distinguished what we were trying to do from the dominant practices of that period. 

I would be among the first to argue that in the now two decades which have passed as these &quot;new&quot; ideas went mainstream they lost something and were not executed with the level of fidelity and consideration some of us initially envisioned, but the thing was that within the context of that day and age they were not only viewed as &quot;new&quot; by many in the mainstream--but did indeed stand in sharp contrast to the dominant practices of that period and were initially largely dismissed.

As so nicely stated by Phil (and I imagine others...) the &quot;problem&quot; with much of the &quot;new&quot; talk is that folks today (in any day?) do not know what they do not know--they are not stupid, but rather simply ignorant with regard to some of the deeper history so well presented by Zunz. 

In the face of this ignorance, one has to try to re-frame one&#039;s vision, ideas and practices since simply saying &quot;yes, but... we KNOW this...&quot; doesn&#039;t usually carry much weight against the powers that be and the force of what we supposedly &quot;know&quot; to be true...

My apologies if this is a little muddled--I&#039;m writing at 2:15AM from Abu Dhabi...

best to all and again, great discussion--Thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, all&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing:</p>
<p>Part of the reason we have to keep revisiting existing concepts in new ways is that folks do indeed &#8220;forget&#8221; so we must re-discover. </p>
<p>For example, in 1989 (pre-social entrepreneurship&#8217;s popularization or Venture Philanthropy&#8217;s introduction)I was told by a, uh, major east coast foundation program officer that &#8220;if there is one thing we know it is that nonprofits can&#8217;t think like businesses, so if you have new money, put it into job training.&#8221; He couldn&#8217;t even conceive of the notion that at that very time there were, in fact, social workers already taking the &#8220;good&#8221; part of business thinking and applying it toward attaining their social mission as they saw fit. (In fact, my MSW program&#8211;circa 1981&#8211; taught from business management texts for exactly this reason: Social workers were in fact using business practices to advance community goals&#8211;despite what the foundation exec may have thought&#8230;). Later the following spring (1990), we had begun our grantmaking initiative at Roberts Foundation wherein I asked our lead grantees to come together with me once a month to discuss their work, share ideas and lessons, and in the context of this, I would add funding as needed to support our collective efforts. I was describing what we were doing at a foundation executive meeting in SF and I was actually reprimanded by one of my foundation colleagues (from, uh, a major west coast foundation) for &#8220;lacking professional distance and objectivity&#8221; with regard to my grantees&#8217; work&#8230;.can you imagine that?</p>
<p>In large part due to the consistently negative response I received from (at that time) the dominant, existing &#8220;thinking and practice&#8221; within mainstream philanthropy, I (and i would hazard to guess, others&#8230;) had to come up with concepts and language which distinguished what we were trying to do from the dominant practices of that period. </p>
<p>I would be among the first to argue that in the now two decades which have passed as these &#8220;new&#8221; ideas went mainstream they lost something and were not executed with the level of fidelity and consideration some of us initially envisioned, but the thing was that within the context of that day and age they were not only viewed as &#8220;new&#8221; by many in the mainstream&#8211;but did indeed stand in sharp contrast to the dominant practices of that period and were initially largely dismissed.</p>
<p>As so nicely stated by Phil (and I imagine others&#8230;) the &#8220;problem&#8221; with much of the &#8220;new&#8221; talk is that folks today (in any day?) do not know what they do not know&#8211;they are not stupid, but rather simply ignorant with regard to some of the deeper history so well presented by Zunz. </p>
<p>In the face of this ignorance, one has to try to re-frame one&#8217;s vision, ideas and practices since simply saying &#8220;yes, but&#8230; we KNOW this&#8230;&#8221; doesn&#8217;t usually carry much weight against the powers that be and the force of what we supposedly &#8220;know&#8221; to be true&#8230;</p>
<p>My apologies if this is a little muddled&#8211;I&#8217;m writing at 2:15AM from Abu Dhabi&#8230;</p>
<p>best to all and again, great discussion&#8211;Thanks!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven “New” Concepts that Are Not So New After All: Reflections on a History of Philanthropy by Around the horn: Santorum edition &#124; Createquity.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the horn: Santorum edition &#124; Createquity.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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